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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2007, 08:09:44 AM »

I don't think your going to see one of the big car manufacturers mass producing a vehicle that does not have a lot of air bags, super structure and what we refer to 'features'(others think of them as required).

in order for a company to produce a car without those creature comforts its primary goal is for the car to end up on the track, and finishing in the front. Mazda has been doing it with their Miatas for a long time now. And with car comapnies getting back into the market for 2 seaters (ie. Pontiac Solstice, Saturn Sky, Dodge Demon) its going to become very competitve

These cars are still pretty heavy in the feature catagory and in the suck category. 

When you talk about fetures and sucking.... are you referring to the Solstice/Sky, or the Miata? I am pretty sure that at around 2400 lbs the Miata is still considered a featherweight amongst convertibles. It also only weighs about 200 lbs more than when it was new 16 years ago. It's not as stripped down as an Elise, sure, but it's also not meant to be a track-only car. The Solstice/Sky, on the other hand... they were designed more as a "comfort" convertible than a "sporting" convertible.
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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2007, 12:05:34 PM »

the Solstice/Sky and the Dodge Demon are coming forth after seeing the "sucess" of the Honda S2000's, Porsche Boxster, BMW Z3, and the recent addtions of the Chrysler Crossfire and BMW Z4, the two seater sportster with luxory

i wouldnt classify the miata in the same group since the car has a HUGE racing background and just recently got into the 2 liter mark. Their previous versions had the 1.6 and the 1.8 which is what most people race on a ameteur level.

i would consider the Elise closer to the miata's ability and factory support except for the huge price difference
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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2007, 01:24:56 PM »

the Solstice/Sky and the Dodge Demon are coming forth after seeing the "sucess" of the Honda S2000's, Porsche Boxster, BMW Z3, and the recent addtions of the Chrysler Crossfire and BMW Z4, the two seater sportster with luxory

i wouldnt classify the miata in the same group since the car has a HUGE racing background and just recently got into the 2 liter mark. Their previous versions had the 1.6 and the 1.8 which is what most people race on a ameteur level.

i would consider the Elise closer to the miata's ability and factory support except for the huge price difference

Oh I definitely agree, but unfortunately most people lump the Miata in with the Sky/Solstice, even though very few people cross shop the same car. This is an oversimplification, but for the most part, Solstice = pretty roadster, Miata = performance roadster.

As far as the "new" CRX goes, I think it would have a very unique place in the market if Honda actually built it. Look at where the Elise is right now. It is purpose built for performance, and people do not seem to care how stripped down it is. It's brilliant chassis and light weight are its keys to success. The fact that anyone would consider making a CRX with a backseat completely defeats its purpose. We already have a quick Honda with a backseat, it's the Civic Si. But unfortunately, it's no longer a light car. A true reborn CRX would be like a FWD Miata coupe. Or more accurately, like a Japanese Mini Cooper, but even lighter. It would be small on power, maybe 140-160 hp, but very light. Perhaps 2200 lbs or so. Definitely a hatchback, and a much shorter wheelbase than the Civic coupe. This car would be dismissed by most because it lacks trunk space of a full-size Civic, but the enthusiasts would recognize its value.  I understand the argument that Honda may not want competition for their own S2000, but no one is going to cross-shop a new CRX and an S2000. A CRX would be about $20,000 to be competitive, and the S2000 focuses on a very different and more pricey segment.

Will Honda build it? Probably not. Would it sell? Most likely, but you couldn't really expect huge production numbers (niche market), and Honda is already doing well, so it's not like they need to build it. And it would not provide the halo effect of a S2000, NSX, Supra, or other sporty car. The Miata and Solstice are some of the only cases I know of where a $20k vehicle has provided a sort of halo effect for an entire brand (not that I'm biased or anything...). Plus, if a new CRX was popular primarily with a younger crowd (like the last CRX), Honda may not be wishing to attract that market. That's why Toyota created Scion... a separate brand helps maintain the individuality of the youthful cars, and their owners. Honda has gone upscale in the past 10 years, and the bean counters at Honda may not favor a car that attracts primarily 16-21 year old males.
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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2007, 12:34:15 PM »

The bean counters could want to attract that 16 to 21year old crowd but its not going to sell many cars.  At that age not many kids could afford a $5000 car let alone a brand new car.

I think the only way it could be done affordably for honda is to do it the exact same way as the crx was before.  Take the Fit Chasis(was the Civic chassis in the original) shorten it a bunch and put a slopey back on it.  That's basically what was done before.

The lack of trunk space shouldn't be an issue if its a hatch back.  Also I can't believe anyone would buy a Solstice/Sky over a Miata other than the cost savings.  The trunk on them is ABSOLUTELY useless!  The gas tank takes up the whole f'n trunk!
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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2007, 06:17:00 PM »

bah, fuck a new crx....i want the si coupe with more power. MORE POWER!

that car is tits otherwise
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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2007, 12:15:39 PM »

bah, fuck a new crx....i want the si coupe with more power. MORE POWER!

that car is tits otherwise


LMAO, how the hell are you.



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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2007, 06:02:26 PM »

same shit, different circumstances...we moved near the river, no more school but twice as much work, waiting for you to bring yo ass back down here so we can hang out instead of cross paths on crxpower....
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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2007, 08:05:39 AM »

You know how I know your both gay?

You talk about meeting up on an internet message board.
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2007, 09:08:03 AM »

do I have to dig up your posts to show that you have more "meet-up" lines than me?
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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2007, 01:19:06 PM »

nah thats my brother.
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« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2007, 05:23:48 PM »

yeah, i'd rather be gay with kenobi than be gay with your brother like you are...at least obd1 is more my height
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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2007, 01:06:12 AM »

woah you wanna be gay with junkyard jim?
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« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2007, 09:30:45 AM »

the crx would never be the same as what we currently own, it would be way to heavy and try to appeal to the current market.
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