89 crx sir for sale with glass top

[hondastaR]

Ok. If you really, REALLY, REALLY want to drive a RHD car/ in public roads, apply at the post office. Mail trucks are RHD's aren't they?

That correct.  Ironically there is a mailman out here that delivers the mail in a RHD Subaru wagon.  It's fairly old though.  I'd say early 90s.  One of these days I'll try to flag him down and find out the story on it.

[Bunger]

What "docs" show me proof.  I know for a FACT that RHD Civics are not considered to be "substantially similar" by the NHTSA.  It sounds to me like you are talking out of your ass.

Actually, you can legally register a RHD car, you just have to know what you're doing.  The important part is that the DOT approved 'counter'-parts must be installed on the vehicle, then instpected by the correct parties, at which time they will assign you a VIN and you can register and insure it like any other civic / crx / 240sx / etc...  I have done this personally for my RHD crx and a good friend of mine does it about once a month.

Most of the time this includes such things as doors and bumper supports, and sometimes tires, as they often come over with non-DOT approved tires.

[hondastaR]

Actually, you can legally register a RHD car, you just have to know what you're doing. The important part is that the DOT approved 'counter'-parts must be installed on the vehicle, then instpected by the correct parties, at which time they will assign you a VIN and you can register and insure it like any other civic / crx / 240sx / etc...  

The NHTSA will only assign VINs to LHD vehicles that are shown to be substantially similar.  If you visit the link I posted it clearly states that the NHTSA does NOT consider RHD to be substantually similar to LHD.  In the the case of RHD vehicles, Registered Importers are required to produce a compliance package for approval of the NHTSA.  

From the NHTSAs website:

 

Vehicles that have been determined eligible for importation are assigned a vehicle eligibility number. All eligibility numbers are for left-hand drive motor vehicles except where right-hand drive (RHD) is identified after the model. While there is no specific restriction on importing a right-hand drive vehicle, these may not be imported under eligibility decisions based on the existence of substantially similar U.S.- certified left-hand drive vehicles. Our experience has shown that the safety performance of right-hand drive vehicles is not necessarily the same as that of apparently similar left-hand drive vehicles offered for sale in this country. However, we will consider the vehicles "substantially similar" if the manufacturer advises us that the right-hand drive vehicle would perform the same as the U.S.-certified left-hand drive vehicle in dynamic crash tests. Absent such a showing, the RI would have to demonstrate (through a petition) that the vehicle, when modified, would comply with all applicable Federal motor vehicle safety standards, including those for which dynamic crash testing is prescribed.

Here is the link again:  http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/ELIG071404.html

I have done this personally for my RHD crx and a good friend of mine does it about once a month.

Doubtful.  Which RI do you work for?  Individuals are not allowed to modify their own vehicles in order to bring them into compliance, nor are they allowed to petition the NHTSA.  What about EPA requirements?  JDM B16As are NOT EPA certified.  Do you swap in USDM B16As and US emissions equipment onto the JDM cars?  Did you convert your speedometer and odometer to US units?  Unlikely.

I don't doubt that you may have a own, operate, have titled and insured a JDM RHD CRX in the US.  In some states (e.g. Florida) it is extremely easy to register Grey/Black market cars.  Others states that less so.  (According to your IP address you are from Nor Cal, so you would fall into the later category).  

However, That doesn't mean that it is legal from a Federal standpoint (Federal law preempts state law in this case).  Even though there are plenty of illegal cars in the US right now possesion isn't 9/10ths of the law.  

If a person gets caught operating the car on public roads they may face adverse legal ramifications.  As stated before, I would rather lookout for  the legal interests of our regular members, as opposed to the short term interests of a noob with 3 posts trying to make a quick buck.

Regards



hondastaR

[Bunger]

The NHTSA will only assign VINs to LHD vehicles that are shown to be substantially similar.  If you visit the link I posted it clearly states that the NHTSA does NOT consider RHD to be substantually similar to LHD.  In the the case of RHD vehicles, Registered Importers are required to produce a compliance package for approval of the NHTSA.

The 89 Civic DX was given a VSP number:

"VSP" eligibility numbers are assigned to vehicles that are decided to be eligible under 49 U.S.C. § 30141(a)(1)(A), based on a petition from a manufacturer or registered importer which establishes that a substantially similar U.S.-certified vehicle exists.

That is how I registered my RHD CRX.

I have done this personally for my RHD crx and a good friend of mine does it about once a month.

Doubtful.  Which RI do you work for?  Individuals are not allowed to modify their own vehicles in order to bring them into compliance, nor are they allowed to petition the NHTSA.  What about EPA requirements?  JDM B16As are NOT EPA certified.  Do you swap in USDM B16As and US emissions equipment onto the JDM cars?  Did you convert your speedometer and odometer to US units?  Unlikely.

The installation of the part was certified by the correct parties, I have gone through all the correct channels.  The B16a is also sold in a newer american car (Del Sol) which they make you update all the emmisions equipment for it to pass, including the ECU.  I've never been asked about the speedometer, doubt its much of an issue.

I don't doubt that you may have a own, operate, have titled and insured a JDM RHD CRX in the US.  In some states (e.g. Florida) it is extremely easy to register Grey/Black market cars.  Others states that less so.  (According to your IP address you are from Nor Cal, so you would fall into the later category).  

However, That doesn't mean that it is legal from a Federal standpoint (Federal law preempts state law in this case).  Even though there are plenty of illegal cars in the US right now possesion isn't 9/10ths of the law.  

If a person gets caught operating the car on public roads they may face adverse legal ramifications.  As stated before, I would rather lookout for  the legal interests of our regular members, as opposed to the short term interests of a noob with 3 posts trying to make a quick buck.

I agree that you should follow the law, but if you update the vehicle, and make it just as safe as a US model, passing the same emmisions tests as the US models, why shouldn't it be 100% legal.  I don't know how many people do all of these things correctly, but there are ways for a lot of cars, including the S13 240sx (Silvia).

-Lee

[hondastaR]

The 89 Civic DX was given a VSP number:

"VSP" eligibility numbers are assigned to vehicles that are decided to be eligible under 49 U.S.C. § 30141(a)(1)(A), based on a petition from a manufacturer or registered importer which establishes that a substantially similar U.S.-certified vehicle exists.

That is how I registered my RHD CRX.

Again a B16A powered JDM CRX is NOT substantially similar according to the NHTSA because it is RHD.  In order for a RI to import it they would of had to crash test it.  Which RI did you go through to get your car?

 

The installation of the part was certified by the correct parties, I have gone through all the correct channels. The B16a is also sold in a newer american car (Del Sol) which they make you update all the emmisions equipment for it to pass, including the ECU. I've never been asked about the speedometer, doubt its much of an issue.

B16A2s and B16A3s are sold in the new cars.  Not the B16a.  In regards to the speedo and odometer it is an issue because it must be converted to US units to be legal here.

I agree that you should follow the law, but if you update the vehicle, and make it just as safe as a US model, passing the same emmisions tests as the US models, why shouldn't it be 100% legal.

Agreed.  Remember though individuals are not allowed to modify no complying cars themselves.  The only people other than the major automakers who are allowed to comply JDM cars are RIs.  Do you have any pictures of your car and engine bay?  

I don't know how many people do all of these things correctly, but there are ways for a lot of cars, including the S13 240sx (Silvia).

Wrong wrong wrong.  The JDM Silvia the 240sx coupe are totally different cars.  To keep things easy I'll stick with S13s (PS13s in this case) only.  Not only does the JDM Silvia NOT come equipped with the KA24(D)E, the fixed lighting assembly, RHD, intruments, mirrors, tires, and the unit body is different.  JDM Silvias of any sort.  S13, S14, S15 are CANNOT be federalized legally.

In the interests of full disclosure my last car was a USDM RMS13 with an  Blacktop SR20DET swap.

[Sikocivic]

Why illegal?

There is plenty of doc's that can be filed out to have a legal rhd car.

rich

What "docs" show me proof.  I know for a FACT that RHD Civics are not considered to be "substantially similar" by the NHTSA.  It sounds to me like you are talking out of your ass.

I don't know how it works where you are, but I live in MN and there are atleast 6 RHD Hondas driving on the streets here. A buddy of mine just moved here from CA and he said there are always a few RHD cars that show up at the weekend get togethers around LA.

 :crazy:

[hondastaR]

I don't know how it works where you are, but I live in MN and there are atleast 6 RHD Hondas driving on the streets here. A buddy of mine just moved here from CA and he said there are always a few RHD cars that show up at the weekend get togethers around LA.

There is a guy down in Wichita who has a JDM SiR.   Trust me the car is no where near being legal.  Incorrect gauges, JDM lights, smalller seat belt buckles, non compling chassis, blah blah blah.  Like I said possesion isn't 9/10ths of the law.  It's still illegal.  I hate to be on the recieving end if the government decides to crack down.

[crxkid]

whats this JDM crx look like down here? ive never seen one. i did however see a NICE 89 Si for sale at california sounds a few weeks back, WW body kit, b16, n20, roll cage, for $6200

[hondastaR]

whats this JDM crx look like down here? ive never seen one. i did however see a NICE 89 Si for sale at california sounds a few weeks back, WW body kit, b16, n20, roll cage, for $6200

I think it's black or silver.  I saw pictures of it a while back on www.wichitaracing.com .  The guy posted pics in the Import Chat section a while back.  They might still be there.