zc motor

[XxxTakxxX]

im lookin into a zc dohc for my 88 si. i can get it 700 shipped and the tranny for 600 shipped, anyone know a diff way i should go without havin to mod anything to get a motor to fit cause the zc drops straight in and im lookin for around 130 or 140 hp, gonna do some bolt on and SOME engine rebuild on the zc when and if i get it cause i dont wanna pull my d16 apart anymore lol

[jatt]

hld up you wanna pay 1300 for a zc swap???

why not go b-series?

[OBD1 Kenobi]

get a B series.



ZC = A6

there are some fast ZC's out there, but you will feel unsatisfied with what you spent... Get a b16, 1500 bux and you will be very satisfied, I promise you that.

[XxxTakxxX]

is 1500 tranny and all ecu ya know whole 9 yards

[sxy_rexi]

agreed. with a tiny bit more effort and money you will have a much better motor. so far everyone ive met and talked to that owns one has not been satisfied with the results.

hmo sells the zc longblock for 525. why dont you do that and keep your si tranny. is it any good? no need  to pay 600 for a tranny

even if your tranny doesnt work si trannys are all over the place sell for like 200 bucks.
and just use the pm6 (stock si ecu) and rechip it.
easily all done for under like 800 bucks id say

stock harness, stock mounts, stock ecu, stock tranny.
dont get ripped off paying 1500

[XxxTakxxX]

my boss got the zc tranny and it made a BIG difference in his "get up and go" so i wanna go wit that IF i keep my d16 or if i go zc

[OBD1 Kenobi]

a lot more work involved than just swapping the tranny out, the axles won't fit, etc.

I got mine:

engine, tranny w/ new clutch, spoon ecu, axles, harness, shiftlinks, hasport mounts, etc. The whole swap, it just needed to drop in for a flat $1400 and picked it up. 1 day install and I was "Vtec'ing" with the rest of them with a big smile on my face. Look at my writeup, it has everything you need to know and then some. gOOD LUCK.

[91siredrex]

most people dont find a deal like u got jim. the average b16 swap is atleast 2k at best qand thats u doin ur own swap too. anyway i was anotehr person that wasnt happy with my zc but its a good daily driving motor and gives me time to build my next motor while its out of the car. instead of goin b series stay d series and build a turbo kit.

[OBD1 Kenobi]

most people dont find a deal like u got Jim 'The Circus Midget'. the average b16 swap is atleast 2k at best qand thats u doin ur own swap too.

I'm not most people, why settle for the average?!


and buying a ZC plus costs of the rebuild, you could buy 2 b16's with it.

again, to each his own, I'm just trying to see how spending more on D is better than doin it right with a B, like the way you jus said.

[SilverCRXSi]

If you are going to rebuild a zc, why not rebuild a b16 as well? Afterall both motors are old.

Anyways if you're paying 1300+ US for a ZC you're getting it up the ass big time. I didn't even pay that much and I'm in Canada. lol

I paid about 2000 for the ZC with install (no tranny) and I added in a the essentials (timing belt, water pump, spark plugs) and other crap that was suggested. I also tossed in a Centreforce clutch (stage 2) and had my flywheel resurfaced. I also tossed on a Chikara header which I later made to be cermaic (looking)
After taxes and having to pay twice to have my timing belt done (long story) it was about 2000ish.
Actually maybe it was closer to 3000. :bawling:

Had I of had someone willing and able to help me with the install, it woulda saved me about 1/3 on the price.
IF you have the tools/know-how on how to do the ZC swap then by all means do it yourself.

[silverkorn]

most people dont find a deal like u got Jim

90LS-R didnt pay that much for his swap either. you just have to be paitent and look around. deals are out there

[91siredrex]

well as silvercrxsi said both zc and b16 should be rebuilt. anyway i basically did the exact setup that silver did. zc,si tranny,centerforce clutch,lightened fly and so on. this is how i look at it- i spent 525 for motor, and 200 shipping.  hmo has the b16 for 1250, then u gotta pay for axles,mounts, and linkage. and with either swap i was goin with the performance clutch and flywheel so theres a lil chunk of change there. so in the end it was 725 for the zc, or 2000 for the b16. basically ur paying 1300 more for 30 horsepower and 5lbs of torque. not worth it to me. i perfer to put 1300 into my motor,nitrous kit, or turbo kit.

[lemonrex]

Alright man, I just wrote on the other post you had about the a6.  You need to decide what you want to do.  

What is this car for?  I thought it was a show car.  If that's the case, why do you care how fast it is?  Just take off your a6 valve cover and paint it red or something.  You need to think this shit out before you start asking all these questions.  If you go with an a6, ZC or B series, every question you've asked so far should be about two mouse clicks away.... Not a new topic.

And by the way, ZC is not going to pump your nads like you think it will.  Your butt-dyno will barely be able to tell the difference.

But wait...  I still can't figure this shit out.  This is a show car, right?  If it is, why the hell would you need to rebuild the bottom end, or the head, or anything you can't see.  I say save your money and buy a giant-assed carbon fiber/shopping cart handle looking rear wing.  

You owe me your first "best of show" trophie now...  And all the extra money I saved you.

[XxxTakxxX]

im looking at 1250 or so parts and all for a full zc tranny and motor swap then another 200 for the ecu.... so 1500 for a full swap and that will give me 130 hp PLUS i have seen the zc tranny in action it makes a big difference to me. i dont wanna go b series cause i just dont want to lol, the zc is a simpler swap and like some have said i would be spending like 1000 more to do a b series "right" and i would only get another what 30 hp, i can get another 30 hp with bolt ons and a minor engine rebuild so from my point of view the zc is better. if people want to argue me show me time sheets of a b series beating a zc dont tell me prices i can look that up on my own. i have toned down the show car idea some. im still gonna make the car look nice but i have cut out almost all of the stereo cept a cd player and 2 speakers. im stripping everything i can strip then when i build it back up i will be about even weight wise wit a stock si, i WILL race this car but only around here, i jus wanna show off what i can do wit fiberglass, and with some time and effort since everyone around me is a spoonfed punks who has their parents pay for their stuff

[silverkorn]

2k into b16 -> mid 14's
2k into zc -> low 15's