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« on: February 07, 2004, 06:28:02 PM »



Well here is a write up on how to install a 99-00 civic Si cluster in your EF. I installed it in my 91 CRX si. All the wiring is done for a 90-91 Crx. The wiring is the same for 90-91 civic hatches. The fitment may be a little different in hatches but should work. I am getting mixed feedback about the wiring for 88-89 models, I am not 100% positive if the wiring is the same but I will have it figured out shortley and will add the 88-89 wiring when finished.

OK 88-89 wiring is added. The wire colors are the same but the pin placements are different. I added clip pictures and a chart for the 88-89 crx/civics. Another thing you will have to change is the dimmer switch clip for the 90-91 cluster hood. Just swap the 88-89 clip with the 90-91 clip. The wire colors are the same so just match up the wires and it will work

Here is a list of things needed to comlete the swap.

Tools:

10mm socket ( to unbolt speedo)
philips head screw driver
wire cutters
soldering iron
electrical tape

Items needed:

96-00 Civic cluster Si, EX, DX, HX whichever you want to use. I chose the Si because it looks cool.
Cluster clips that plug into the civic cluster. With some wire attached the more the better
Any electronic speedo from 92 and up civic or 94 and up integra.
Clip that plugs ontop of the speedo  also with some wire

The only things needed to be modified to fit the cluster into the dash where the metal tabs inside the cluster bowl. Just unscrew them and there is plenty of room. As far as bolting it down it is in pretty tight and takes some shifting to get the cover over the cluster but when it is in it is tight. I have been driving the car for a few weeks now and it didn't vibrate or shift in any way. If you wanted to screw it in you could drill some holes into the roof of the gauge cover and put screws through it into the tabs on the civic clusterbut it isnt nessacary.





Here is the wiring. The blue clips are for the civic and the grey are the crx. You need to wire in the blue clips in place of the grey ones. The red X's mean the wire isnt used. 11 of the 17 wires match up in color and have the same function. Look at the last chart and you will see what I mean.









88-89 clips





90-91 wiring color chart



88-89 wiring color chart



VSS installation:

Pull the cover up over the cable on the VSS then push the retaining clip off of the cable and pull the cable out of the Vss. Then take the 10mm socket and your rachet and unbolt the cable driven Vss from the tranny. I also used 3/8 15"  extension and a swivel head to get the 10mm bolt out.





Here is the cable driven Vss from my crx (note I have a b16 and your cable Vss may look different.



This is a pic of a 99 civic Vss I stole from my sisters car for picture purposes. This Vss will work fine.


here is a pic of the VSS I used. The black part is from a 99 integra and the bottom part is from a 92 civic Si. These 2 parts work fine together. I ordered the metal piece from honda for $39 and the black piece used for $35. I stole the gear out of my sisters civic and it works with the teg/civic combo Vss I used. I also ordered new Oring seals for the VSS just to be on the safe side. Those where about $5 total.



This is the connector you will need that plugs onto the electronic Vss. I didn't have one So I just plugged wires directly onto the VSS and sealed them up.


Next just slip the electronic VSS into the tranny and bolt up with the 10mm bolt. Now here is the wiring, I don't have pics of the prosses but it is easy to understand. There are 3 wires coming out of the VSS plug. Power, signal and ground. The power wire you have to run to a switched power source, pin B4 and A15 on the civic clips will work fine. The ground wire you just have to ground, splice it into an exsisting ground or create a new one either will work. The signal wire has to be split into 2. Run one signal into the back of the cluster in pin A11, The other into Pin B16 on the ECU. You split the signal because both the cluster and Ecu need the Vehicle speed signal.

Here are some pics of it installed and working. Sorry the night pic didnt come out very well but you get the idea.





If you have any questions about this swap just ask I will help out ina ny way possible. Also I dont take any responsibility for any damages that maybe  caused by this swap.

 You can also use a CRV cluster instead of the civic one if yo uwould like to. The wiring is the same and the civic clips pop right into the CRV cluster.





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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2004, 08:04:20 PM »

im not sure what cluster this is but it would look sweet aswell. I think its from a 96-00 JDM civic SIR. Not sure but looks good.



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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2004, 08:35:10 PM »

yeah, 96-97 EK4....in 98 they started using white.


where did you find a cluster with the clips still on the back? any idea if the clips are the same between the Si cluster and other civic clusters? i know i can find a civic in a junkyard, but i highly doubt i would come across any SI's. i have to replace the VSS on my b16 anyway, so i figure i might as well get a guage cluster that reads high enough rpm.  
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2004, 10:09:58 PM »

Yes all civic clips are the same 96-00. So any cluster between those years will work. You can also use the CRV clips and cluster the wiring is the same. You can also use integra clips. The wire pinouts are different but the actual clips are the same and have the same number of pinouts, you will just ahve to plug in some wires to the correct locationa dn they will work also.

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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2004, 03:55:31 AM »

what is that neon green clip for in the first 2 pics, i got one with my gsr cluster, but its yellow?
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2004, 12:50:07 PM »

The neon green clip is fot the rear hatch defroster. This is what you have to swap to if you own a 88-89. The other clips yo ugot with the GSR cluster are for the ABS and airbags. You don't need them. You also get them with the civic cluster all you need are the blue clips.

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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2004, 08:43:37 PM »

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well i got mine done

oh and FYI for people doing the 89 gauge swap there are two wires that need to be longer D2 (High Beam) and D7 (Power) as they have to stretch to the left side of the new cluster
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2004, 08:48:53 AM »

Hey in looking at the dash.

I have a couple of questions.

1. do you use the new civic dash cover?
2. do you need to get a vss?
3. will this work with a stock crx motor and tranny.

I would like to do the swap due to it looks cool.  I've got a 88 crx si.

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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2004, 08:25:52 AM »

yo when u replace the cluster does it clear the guage that counts the kilometers on the car?
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2004, 11:55:30 AM »

to have these fit you need the 90-91 gauge hood
yes you need a VSS
yea it will work on a stock engine

and yes when you replace the cluster you get the miles on the new one
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