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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2004, 02:39:57 PM »

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your right on people wanting to "by-pass" VTEC to make more power but they do that for a smoother power curve since the VTEC cams were designed to allow for moderate power at the lower rpm's for better fuel consumption.


I thought the purpose of VTEC eliminator cams was to reduce some of the weight from the valve train, to make additional power than stock, and to take advantage of the better flowing (stock) VTEC head?

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the way i look at it is that if your not seriously competing in drag racing then you shouldnt worry too much about getting a very quick spool. if your turbo takes to lets say 6k to reach full boost then for the first 5k rpms your now able to get traction.


 :crazy:   I'd hate to drive a car with a turbo that took so long to spool.  You may have traction, but the other guy with a quicker spooling turbo, LSD, and grippy tires just pulled on ya.


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I was told that when turboing a vtec engine you should bypass the vtec with the elimination cams in order to be able to get higher boost


Wrong.  Cams determine lift, duration, and overlap.  They don't create higher boost.  In actuality aftermarket cams (such as VTEC eliminator cams) will create lower boost at high rpm.

This is due to more boost (charge density) filling the cylinders as opposed to building up against intake valves that close earlier with stock cams.  

VTEC is actually helpful in making power in turbocharged applications.  It gives you the best of both worlds.  Good fuel economy down low and great power up top.  The "big lobe" on a VTEC camshaft would basically be a full race cam for other cars.

 If you put VTEC eliminator cams in your motor it wouldn't even idle at stock.  However if you are happy with a 3000rpm idle.......

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this sounds right to me, on the basis that it would be eisier to control fuel and boost without the sudden amount of air and fuel produced from VTEC


VTEC doesn't produce "air and fuel".

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with no VTEC you would get a better power curve with better bottom end..
 

If the world is such a better place without VTEC, then why did Honda create it? :crazy:

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saying that you could produce more boost at lower rpm's with the bigger cam


Wrong.  The rpm at which a turbo spools (aka makes boost) is determined by trim of the compressor and turbine wheels, compressor and turbine housing a/r size, etc.

Food for thought, Nissan has a vehicle in Japan called the X-Trail.  It has an SR20VET engine that produces 280hp.  It basically has a variable valve timing system that is similar to Honda's "I-Vtec" with a turbo.    If variable valve timing was so bad why did Nissan choose to equip a vehicle with this from the factory.

SICK_BOOST,

Do yourself a favor and learn how VTEC works, what it does, and the inner workings of the internal combustion engine before you attempt to go turbo.  You will save yourself money in the long run.


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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2004, 11:10:29 PM »

can i just turbo an LS?

it's not a drag car it's a street car and i want it at lease low 13s?

how much boost on an LS?

i want reliable and cost.

do i need to do LS/vtec to gain more power? or jsut a stock turbo ls is good enough for street use?
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2004, 09:38:20 AM »

8-12psi should be more then enough on a stock block to get you into the 13's with a good setup
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2004, 08:03:23 PM »

Low 13s is a very low power goal (from what I am told) with boost. It should be easily accomplished with just the amount of Boost that Silverkorn stated. The bolton from RevHard makes a B16a CRX hit high to mid 13s on 7psi. (once again, from what I have heard. Haven't experienced it yet because I am pretty much the only guy with a hooked up CRX in Fla. Where are you guys?)
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2004, 08:50:12 AM »

last weekend saw a blown headgasket b18a running about 12psi put down 240 at the wheels. so i would say 13's is a modest claim, i would say with the right tuning and drag setup, cause in drag racing setup can often be more important then power, you can reach mid to low 12's
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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2005, 02:01:26 AM »

whats the difference between the b18a and b18b? i kind of forgot.

which is better for turbo?
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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2005, 08:53:38 PM »

the b18a came from the 90-93 integras while the b18b came from the 94-01 integras

they are almost identical, except for the major difference of different computer generations. b18b being from the obd1-2 and the b18a coming from obd0
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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2005, 03:43:13 AM »

yes! thats what i thought. so would the b18a be better in our crxs?
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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2005, 07:32:45 PM »

Yes, the B16a would be better in your CRX. Tongue just kidding. Yeah, I dunno about this huge debate on which motor. It's really up to you. What you want, etc. There are a few Honda motors that hold up to boost pretty well or can be built to do so cuz of the aftermarket. Your money, honestly, your choice.
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2006, 01:25:44 AM »

turbo LS all the way on a b16 transmission  Cool

im turbo LS on a cable GSR . I made 263whp/227ftlbs @ 12psi. Runnin a precision SC34 full custom setup.3" downpipe , 3" exhaust Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2007, 09:43:13 AM »

the three to choose from are

FAST, RELIABLE, CHEAP  Tongue
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« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2007, 09:44:49 AM »

VTEC was created for fuel economy.
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